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1 October, 2004

a jealous individual?

Jay Garcia posted in netscape.netscape7.windows said "It is a subtle personal attack by one very jealous individual for whatever reason."

The "very jealous individual" refers to me.

He had better explain it.

A screenshot of this newsgroup post has made, and I will upload the screenshot later. I will update this entry with more detail later.

It all started with
_TexasBrian_ said:

All I have been using Netscape for about 9 years. I have seen lots of signatures added to E-Mail messages over the years, but have not had a reason to use them until now.
However, I cannot find how to create, save, and insert them into my Netscape 7.2 messages.
Suggestions?

Chris Ilias replied

http://ilias.ca/netscape/mailnewsfaq/#Signature

I followed

I suggest more words to be added instead of the link to divert traffic.
Plus, the aforementioned link is not necessary, as the answer has been offered.

Jay Garcia commented

Your post wasn't necessary either. Your only motive was to criticize ChrisI. The original poster is in control of the thread and if he/she has a problem with any of the replies then they would have subsequently responded with further questions.

I answered

I am helping this newsgroup not deteriorate into an advertising farm.

Jay Garcia responded

C'mon Antony, that's absolutely ridiculous and you know it. You're following ChrisI around making unnecessary posts and you're not helping at all.

If you want to help then answer questions with what you believe to be an on-topic answer that will help the poster with the problem, not criticize a user that replies with what they believe to be the correct answer. We've been over this before, please stop.

Would you say the same thing if I posted a link to the answer on the UFAQ? Nobody would criticize YOU if you did the same to SillyDog if it helps the user(s).


The original message


Original message of snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/cjh5f8$bak38@ripley.netscape.com with empty lines removed.

Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jay Garcia < Jay@JayGarcia.com > Newsgroups: netscape.netscape7.windows Subject: Re: Message Signatures: How Create and Add Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:33:45 -0500 Organization: http://www.UFAQ.org Lines: 337 Message-ID: < cjh5f8$bak38@ripley.netscape.com > References: < cjbt8r$9as14@ripley.netscape.com > < cjda7t$dnr1@ripley.netscape.com > < cjefs6$9uq26@ripley.netscape.com > < cjefui$9uq27@ripley.netscape.com > < cjeh80$dnr16@ripley.netscape.com > < cjehqk$d7t17@ripley.netscape.com > < cjej5s$9uq28@ripley.netscape.com > < cjejif$dnr18@ripley.netscape.com > < cjekg7$d8216@ripley.netscape.com > < cjfjnj$bak9@ripley.netscape.com > < cjflj8$cbj15@ripley.netscape.com > < cjfn7f$s9533@ripley.netscape.com > < cjfneo$soj21@ripley.netscape.com > < cjfo0i$s9534@ripley.netscape.com > < cjh2cq$2mh2@ripley.netscape.com > < cjh2je$gjj30@ripley.netscape.com > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.14.56.140 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: X-No-Archive: true X-Daffy-Duck: Thufferin Thuccatash X-Thunderbird-Rulez: You Betcha

Jay Garcia wrote:
> On 30.09.2004 08:43, Leonidas Jones wrote:
> --- Original Message ---
>>Andrew W Applegarth wrote:
>>>Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>>Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>>>Antony Shen wrote:
>>>>>>Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>>>>>TexasBrian wrote:
>>>>>>>>Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>On 29.09.2004 10:15, Antony Shen wrote:
>>>>>>>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>>>>>>>>Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>On 29.09.2004 09:45, Antony Shen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>--- Original Message ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Antony Shen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Antony Shen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chris Ilias wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>_TexasBrian_ spoke thusly:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been using Netscape for about 9 years. I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>seen lots of signatures added to E-Mail messages over the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>years, but have not had a reason to use them until now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>However, I cannot find how to create, save, and insert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>them into my Netscape 7.2 messages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Suggestions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://ilias.ca/netscape/mailnewsfaq/#Signature
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I suggest more words to be added instead of the link to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>divert traffic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Plus, the aforementioned link is not necessary, as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>answer has been offered.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your post wasn't necessary either. Your only motive was to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>criticize
>>>>>>>>>>>>>ChrisI. The original poster is in control of the thread and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>if he/she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>has a problem with any of the replies then they would have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>subsequently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>responded with further questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I am helping this newsgroup not deteriorate into an
>>>>>>>>>>>>advertising farm.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>C'mon Antony, that's absolutely ridiculous and you know it. You're
>>>>>>>>>>>following ChrisI around making unnecessary posts and you're not
>>>>>>>>>>>helping
>>>>>>>>>>>at all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Too bad, you don't see other posts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I meant you're not helping by posting replies such as the one I
>>>>>>>>>mentioned about ChrisI posting a link in this thread. Yes, you DO
>>>>>>>>>help
>>>>>>>>>in other threads and is very much appreciated. But you're not
>>>>>>>>>helping by
>>>>>>>>>criticizing ChrisI about posting a link.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>If you want to help then answer questions with what you believe
>>>>>>>>>>>to be an
>>>>>>>>>>>on-topic answer that will help the poster with the problem, not
>>>>>>>>>>>criticize a user that replies with what they believe to be the
>>>>>>>>>>>correct
>>>>>>>>>>>answer. We've been over this before, please stop.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Not really. I did not get an answer last time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Would you say the same thing if I posted a link to the answer
>>>>>>>>>>>on the
>>>>>>>>>>>UFAQ? Nobody would criticize YOU if you did the same to
>>>>>>>>>>>SillyDog if it
>>>>>>>>>>>helps the user(s).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Okay, so you would be happy to see posting nothing but links
>>>>>>>>>>back to SillyDog701 in every support?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If the link(s) support the question, yes of course. Sometimes just a
>>>>>>>>>link is all that is needed and keeps the length of the post to a
>>>>>>>>>minimum.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Let's turn this newsgroup into a link farm.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No, let's answer the questions and not follow other posters around
>>>>>>>>>criticizing their answers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Like I said, if a link supports the question the yes. It's up to the
>>>>>>>>>original poster
>>>>>>>>>to make the determination that the question has been answered
>>>>>>>>>sufficiently. If it means posting a link to SillyDog, the UFAQ or
>>>>>>>>>ChrisI's FAQS then sure, no problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I started this Thread. The link provided the information I needed
>>>>>>>>to create a Signature. I will never object to a response that
>>>>>>>>links to the answer. Why reinvent the wheel / retype the answer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Brian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thak you for that Brian. As the Posting Guidelines indicate, the
>>>>>>>OP owns the thread, I am very glad you recceived an answer that met
>>>>>>>your needs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Antony, let me respond to the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"I suggest more words to be added instead of the link to divert
>>>>>>>traffic."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Please note this is a newsgroup. It is not a web forum like the
>>>>>>>sillydog ones. Posting a link here simply opens a browser window
>>>>>>>with the helpful link. It does not redirect the user away from the
>>>>>>>group, which remains in the user's newsreader. No traffic is being
>>>>>>>"diverted". In a web forum where a link pulls the user away from
>>>>>>>the site, there may be something to what you say.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Then again, even in a web forum, a user with NS7 would most likely
>>>>>>>middle click and open the helpful link in a new tab, never actually
>>>>>>>leaving the forum.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No matter how you look at it, your comment is meaningless in the
>>>>>>>contxt of a newsgroup.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Lee
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And you don't see the "etiquette" issue? This newsgroup is not
>>>>>>someone's private newsgroup. So you won't have problems if most
>>>>>>people post the same style (nothing but links)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I will be more than happy to follow the new tradition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Then follow it and leave this poor, very dead horse alone!
>>>>>
>>>>>Lee
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Antony, I guess I'm out of sorts tonight, that was unnecessary on my
>>>>part.
>>>>
>>>>Still, have you noticed that, so far as I can see, you are the only
>>>>one who seems bothered by this issue? The posting of links, be it to
>>>>Chris's site or elswhere, is an effective support technique and seems
>>>>to appreciated by all except you.
>>>>
>>>>Hey, if I am worng, those folks out there who agree with Antony,
>>>>please make yourselves and your opinions known.
>>>>
>>>>Lee
>>>
>>> I would have to say that I'm a little more middle ground than most on
>>>here...
>>>
>>> First, somebody compared linking to knowledge base articles as being
>>>the same as linking to Chris' site. Unfortunately, until we start
>>>supporting the new Ilias software in this group, ilias.ca will not be
>>>equivalent to www.netscape.com. If you see that a link is pointing at
>>>the common Microsoft, Netscape, or Mozilla web sites, you can feel
>>>pretty safe in going to that site for a solution.
>>>
>>> For those of us who 'reside' here, we know that ilias.ca is a pretty
>>>safe site to visit. However, look at it from the perspective of
>>>somebody who found this group on their quest for an answer, and don't do
>>>more than a search through the old postings trying to find if an answer
>>>has already been given. They don't find one, so they post their
>>>question. The response they get is nothing more than a link.
>>>
>>> Okay, the first thing to consider is why just a link. Is this a
>>>scripted response based on keywords? If somebody actually read the
>>>message and was providing an answer, surely they would take the time to
>>>write something... Second, it's a 'foreign' web site. I realize that
>>>Canada is a close neighbor in more ways than one, but the rules change
>>>when you access a site outside the USA. (This part obviously doesn't
>>>apply to Canadian, and most other non-US, readers.)
>>>
>>>
>>> So, I would suggest that a brief, paraphrased answer with a link to
>>>detailed instructions would be a better response than just a link. It
>>>would make the OP more comfortable clicking on the link, or give them
>>>the option of doing a google search on the brief answer if they choose
>>>not to click on the link.
>>>
>>>
>>> That being said, I have much more important crusades, such as getting
>>>my local cable provider to move Boomerang from the digital tier to
>>>Expanded Basic, so I'm not going to stress over this trivial issue!
>>>
>>>- Andrew W Applegarth
>>
>>Andrew, you and reg both have valid points.
>>
>>Lee
>
> Nobody is questioning the validity of those "points". What IS being
> questioned is the posting of just a link by just one particular
> individual. It is a subtle personal attack by one very jealous
> individual for whatever reason. It is disruptive to this newsgroup,
> unprofessional and counterproductive to the intent of this group/server.
>
> I was/am part of the group that originally started these groups on the
> Netscape Secure Server many years ago. Posting just a link has been
> considered appropriate in some instances and will continue to be so in
> the future.
>
> This issue should be closed immediately.
>

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